Wow,Thanks for the info.
Navigon continues to impress. Their customer service is fantastic, they are english speaking Americans that know the product and take ownership of the problem. Hope Navigon gets into the laptop business.
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Have you tried using the free download manager recommended by Navigon?Version 1.2 for 2100 is now available
Downloading now. It's slow going though. Currently telling me 12 hours yet to download. It's 1.55GB in size.
What is this Firefox thing?Yeah I gave up on the file download when it hit 12 hours and switched to the firefox one. Much faster. Only saying an hour left
2. I deviated from my route today to see how the unit would handle it and sure enough I got about 5 'please make a u-turn' where other units I've used (LG LN735, Garmin, TomTom) would just recalculate from that point and not force a u-turn. It looks like the u-turn logic is still not up to par.
I am using an A-Data Turbo class 6 which can read at 21 MB/s on my PC. And to be honest, I have not noticed any performance benefits.Is anyone using a high speed like a 133x SD card? I am VERY curious if this helps with the lag.
I had noticed this with the 1.1 software. It was reproducable but I've not tried it with the 1.2 software yet. Will take a look tomorrow.Another interesting thing is that if I stay a light or something for a minute or more, it tends to repeat the last command.
I have the same problem and agree. Off means Off. So why does it tell me to make a U turn when I know the U turn option is off?I know quite well that you can turn off u-turn and it is. I'm saying that it still told me to do it when it should have been recalculating
OK, so even if the compression is higher and its about half that of the TomTom, ie 150mb to 263mb, then the 2100max would have 250K to 500K POIs at maximum, given that it has 11mb in the Main Pois and the other 15mb is Zagat. Also, as POIs are just glorified txt files, how much compression is there really?I am just basing this on the claimed POI numbers. Perhaps Navigon compresses the files a lot to make them smaller.
The extended POI might use different compression. I heard before that the 7100 file is 150 MB which brings to the total to only 4-6 M POIs.
If that is true then the compression on the extended file is not nearly as high as the main file and then the 11 MB file is not more then half a million POIs.
Once we can get the file sizes on the 7100, we can find out how many POIs are actually there.
I haven't been able to get Active Sync to work with my device which is needed to install POIWarner. I cannot get the hacks to work (replacing the autorun executable) either. I'm still working on it but no joy so far.I thought I saw an earlier post indicating it didn't work with the new models. Perhaps I'm mistaken?
I know quite well that you can turn off u-turn and it is. I'm saying that it still told me to do it when it should have been recalculating
I have the same problem and agree. Off means Off. So why does it tell me to make a U turn when I know the U turn option is off?
-Funk
CSV files can be compressed up to 90% depending on the data involved. This would be with standard off the shelf software.Elkim,
You said that after update, the POI file is 15mb and the auxil. file is 11mb, making 26mb with 2-3m POIs.
That struck me as strange, as the TT 920 comes stock with North American map POI file of 264mb and auxil. CRPOI of 65mb. The TT is assumed to have 5-6m US POIs.
Now, even if you take a tenth of for Canada and calculate only on the POI.dat file, you still have 235mb vs 26mb, a 9 to 1 ratio.
Now I know the file strctures are different, but POIs are essentially over-glorified CSV data files,...
The allow U-turns option is for ROUTE plotting, not actual driving. The option says specifically to allow U-turns as part of the route planning.I know quite well that you can turn off u-turn and it is. I'm saying that it still told me to do it when it should have been recalculating
I have the same problem and agree. Off means Off. So why does it tell me to make a U turn when I know the U turn option is off?
-Funk
Also - I have a 2100 max and i have purposedly missed my turns and I would guess out of the 20-30 times i've done that it has NEVER suggested a u-turn. Not even close and the re-routing has been exceptionally fast. I have to be honest, unless its my geographic area, I am not experiencing some of the issues you guys are reporting with the 1.2 update. My came shipped with the 1.2 update, but the routing and time have been right on the money. I used it daily on various routes etc.
I dont doubt you guys for one minute...just saying I'm not having most of the issues that have been reported here.
Given that neither the HP nor TT compresses their files, I would find it strange that Navigon does. If they do, then the searches would be slow. HP does compress their core navigation data like ini files and ui files, but not the POIs.Elkim,
You said that after update, the POI file is 15mb and the auxil. file is 11mb, making 26mb with 2-3m POIs.
That struck me as strange, as the TT 920 comes stock with North American map POI file of 264mb and auxil. CRPOI of 65mb. The TT is assumed to have 5-6m US POIs.
Now, even if you take a tenth of for Canada and calculate only on the POI.dat file, you still have 235mb vs 26mb, a 9 to 1 ratio.
Now I know the file strctures are different, but POIs are essentially over-glorified CSV data files,...
CSV files can be compressed up to 90% depending on the data involved. This would be with standard off the shelf software.
infama... you are probably speaking hypothetically....and you probably know this, but I think elk purchased the 7100 maps and is using the POI from that disk on his 2100 max. (oh wait, elk do you have the max? or am i confusing you with someone else?)
If the implication you are making is that the compression ratio has changed form the 7100 to the 2100max, then the software in the 2100max should NOT be able to use the POI database from the 7100.
Cool, That will solve the mystery definitively.
If the implication you are making is that the compression ratio has changed form the 7100 to the 2100max, then the software in the 2100max should NOT be able to use the POI database from the 7100.
infama... you are probably speaking hypothetically....and you probably know this, but I think elk purchased the 7100 maps and is using the POI from that disk on his 2100 max. (oh wait, elk do you have the max? or am i confusing you with someone else?)
I realize the folly of what I'm about to say, but I'll be able to tell you for sure in a few days whether 7100 POI's work on the max.
Actually that's not true. It states this about the u-turn feature:
The allow U-turns option is for ROUTE plotting, not actual driving. The option says specifically to allow U-turns as part of the route planning.
I'm sorry that you're having problems and I wish we really knew ALL the differences between the 2100 and the 2100 Max. I've learned from past experiences both as a technology user and working in a technology field that all you read on the website is not necessarily correct and includes ALL the differences between product models, whether it's hardware or software. I work for a software company and while technical people provide information to the marketing people that actually release that information, it rarely comes from a 'down in the weeds' technical person. That's why so often in software and hardware version releases you find functionality that wasn't listed in release notes but for sure the programmer knew it was there.I'm happy you';re not having the problem. It's down right annoying to me though on my 2100 that is not a Max. It's quite possible the software on your device is different from ours.
Dont you have to go in windows CE and set the device to serial class for it to work with Active sync? That is how it works with the iPaq.That's awesome lostsoul! I am so trying to get into my max like that, but so far I've been totally unsuccessful. GPSPassion forum has a whole lot of various hacks for the 2100 base, but until I can get active sync to work. Not sure why, but it throws an error. I'm sure as more max's get sold that someone smarter than me and figure it out!
So far I've gotten the 7100 maps & poi on SD but haven't been able to get my max to read them - still working on that.
That's the problem. I have to get another autorunce.exe on my SD card and when I do that my device crashes, whereas on the plain 2100 it allows you access to CE. Currently that would be my problem - getting to the Windows CE... so far that's been the challegenge! :)[Dont you have to go in windows CE and set the device to serial class for it to work with Active sync? That is how it works with the iPaq.
In Windows CE control panel:
Of particular interest is the USBClient mode switch - you can switch between Mass_Storage_Class (where the PersistentFlash and optionally the StorageCard are exposed as drives) and Serial_Class mode where you can connect the iPAQ to your PC's ActiveSync and get to all areas of the iPAQ through the ActiveSync File Explorer.
What version of CE is it? Would the CECMD freeware we use on the iPaq work here?[Dont you have to go in windows CE and set the device to serial class for it to work with Active sync? That is how it works with the iPaq.
In Windows CE control panel:
Of particular interest is the USBClient mode switch - you can switch between Mass_Storage_Class (where the PersistentFlash and optionally the StorageCard are exposed as drives) and Serial_Class mode where you can connect the iPAQ to your PC's ActiveSync and get to all areas of the iPAQ through the ActiveSync File Explorer.
That's the problem. I have to get another autorunce.exe on my SD card and when I do that my device crashes, whereas on the plain 2100 it allows you access to CE. Currently that would be my problem - getting to the Windows CE... so far that's been the challegenge! :)
Version 5. I'm not sure it will work, I think there has to be something that 'intercepts' the launching of Navigon's proprietary interface before I can use that - but I'm not sure. Is that freeware? Like Total Commander or something?[Dont you have to go in windows CE and set the device to serial class for it to work with Active sync? That is how it works with the iPaq.
In Windows CE control panel:
Of particular interest is the USBClient mode switch - you can switch between Mass_Storage_Class (where the PersistentFlash and optionally the StorageCard are exposed as drives) and Serial_Class mode where you can connect the iPAQ to your PC's ActiveSync and get to all areas of the iPAQ through the ActiveSync File Explorer.
That's the problem. I have to get another autorunce.exe on my SD card and when I do that my device crashes, whereas on the plain 2100 it allows you access to CE. Currently that would be my problem - getting to the Windows CE... so far that's been the challegenge! :)
What version of CE is it? Would the CECMD freeware we use on the iPaq work here?
Yup, CECMD is Total Commander.[Dont you have to go in windows CE and set the device to serial class for it to work with Active sync? That is how it works with the iPaq.
In Windows CE control panel:
Of particular interest is the USBClient mode switch - you can switch between Mass_Storage_Class (where the PersistentFlash and optionally the StorageCard are exposed as drives) and Serial_Class mode where you can connect the iPAQ to your PC's ActiveSync and get to all areas of the iPAQ through the ActiveSync File Explorer.
That's the problem. I have to get another autorunce.exe on my SD card and when I do that my device crashes, whereas on the plain 2100 it allows you access to CE. Currently that would be my problem - getting to the Windows CE... so far that's been the challegenge! :)
What version of CE is it? Would the CECMD freeware we use on the iPaq work here?
Version 5. I'm not sure it will work, I think there has to be something that 'intercepts' the launching of Navigon's proprietary interface before I can use that - but I'm not sure. Is that freeware? Like Total Commander or something?